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Trouble getting Pandora to Virtual Soundcard on Roku
Maximus4 Offline
#1 Posted : Tuesday, October 20, 2009 3:08:00 AM(UTC)
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I've read through many of the posts and can't seem to get Pandora streaming to my Roku M1001. I can see Jamcast on the Roku and play existing MP3 files, so I should be almost there. I'm running Windows XP Pro on a Dell Dimension desktop and the audio recording source is set to "Wave". The system has a Soundblaster PCI card as well as integrated audio on the motherboard (not used).

One thought that might cause a problem is that I have software (Total Recorder) installed to record streaming audio. The program isn't active for running Jamcast, however.

Any helpful advice would be appreciated.

Thanks, Max


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#2 Posted : Tuesday, October 20, 2009 3:28:17 AM(UTC)
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Maximus4 wrote:
I've read through many of the posts and can't seem to get Pandora streaming to my Roku M1001. I can see Jamcast on the Roku and play existing MP3 files, so I should be almost there. I'm running Windows XP Pro on a Dell Dimension desktop and the audio recording source is set to "Wave". The system has a Soundblaster PCI card as well as integrated audio on the motherboard (not used).

One thought that might cause a problem is that I have software (Total Recorder) installed to record streaming audio. The program isn't active for running Jamcast, however.

Any helpful advice would be appreciated.

Thanks, Max



Hi Max,

Sorry to hear you ran into troubles. Is the Virtual Soundcard playing, but silent? I'm assuming so, but you didn't specify so I better check on that first.

Thanks!
Scott
Jamcast Technical Support
Docs: http://www.sdstechnologies.com/Wiki/
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#3 Posted : Tuesday, October 20, 2009 4:22:03 AM(UTC)
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Hi Scott,

By playing, if you mean I can see Virtual Soundcard on the Roku, select it, and tell it to play ... yes, that all appears to work. Nothing is coming through, however. I've tried this by starting the Virtual Soundcard, then starting Pandora on the PC. I also tried starting Pandora first and then selecting Virtual Soundcard on Roku. Neither way streams anything to the Roku. Confused

Max
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, October 20, 2009 5:56:49 AM(UTC)
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Maximus4 wrote:
Hi Scott,

By playing, if you mean I can see Virtual Soundcard on the Roku, select it, and tell it to play ... yes, that all appears to work. Nothing is coming through, however. I've tried this by starting the Virtual Soundcard, then starting Pandora on the PC. I also tried starting Pandora first and then selecting Virtual Soundcard on Roku. Neither way streams anything to the Roku. Confused

Max

Hi Max,

If the Soundbridge is playing (you can confirm just by looking at the playback clock, is it incrementing?), but all you get is silence, then this is probably going to be a soundcard-related issue. To be sure, if you'd like to paste your medialog.txt to http://pastebin.org I can look and confirm that audio data is indeed being transmitted to the Soundbridge (albeit it silence).

Your integrated sound card may be an issue here -- are you knowledgeable on how to disable it completely? You would probably do this via Device Manager -- disable the hardware completely and restart the PC. You might be able to do this from the BIOS as well.

You might also do some troubleshooting via Total Recorder -- is it able to record Pandora from your soundcard via the Wave recording input? Jamcast works the same way as Total Recorder would as it is essentially "recording" the audio and sending it directly to the Soundbridge.

Hope this helps, let me know how you do. Smile

Thanks!
Scott
Jamcast Technical Support
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#5 Posted : Tuesday, October 20, 2009 7:29:17 AM(UTC)
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Scott,

I posted the media log on pastebin.org under Max.

I tried disabling the on-board sound card via the device manager and it didn't change things. It did remove it from the list of sources in the audio properties. I'll check the BIOS ... I don't recall a setting there for the integrated sound system.

Yes, Total Recorder does record Pandora and I use it for that. However, it reconfigures the audio properties when you start it and has settings to select the audio source, which in the case of Pandora is IE. It sure would be nicer to stream Pandora directly to Roku rather than recording and playing, hence my interest in Jamcast.

I'm a retired electronic engineer ... so fairly computer savvy but I admit PC software is not my forte. I can dive into technical things with some guidance, though.

Cheers, Max


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#7 Posted : Tuesday, October 20, 2009 7:56:09 AM(UTC)
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The BIOS did have an on/off switch for the integrated sound device. I turned it off, but still no change in getting Pandora through the Virtual Soundcard to Roku.
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#6 Posted : Tuesday, October 20, 2009 7:59:10 AM(UTC)
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Maximus4 wrote:
Scott,

I posted the media log on pastebin.org under Max.

I tried disabling the on-board sound card via the device manager and it didn't change things. It did remove it from the list of sources in the audio properties. I'll check the BIOS ... I don't recall a setting there for the integrated sound system.

Yes, Total Recorder does record Pandora and I use it for that. However, it reconfigures the audio properties when you start it and has settings to select the audio source, which in the case of Pandora is IE. It sure would be nicer to stream Pandora directly to Roku rather than recording and playing, hence my interest in Jamcast.

I'm a retired electronic engineer ... so fairly computer savvy but I admit PC software is not my forte. I can dive into technical things with some guidance, though.

Cheers, Max

Hi Max,

I don't think I can look up your pastebin post via name -- after you post it, it gives you a URL. I think that's the only way you can share it with me.

Just to circle back, you've gone thru the Virtual Soundcard FAQ thread regarding setting up Stereo Mix / Wave recording? I assumed that you have since you mentioned having Wave as your recording source, but thought I should ask to be sure. We want to be particular sure that the right default audio device is selected within Windows, and that Wave is checked off as your recording input in the recording mixer and that the volume is turned all the way up.

Also, I think this is what you just told me, but also I want to be clear on this as well -- now that you've disabled your onboard sound card, via the Windows Sound control panel, under the Recording/Playback default device areas there is now only one audio device selectable via the dropdown box, is that correct?

If you haven't done so, restart the Jamcast service to make sure it knows about your new audio configuration.

Thanks!
Scott
Jamcast Technical Support
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#8 Posted : Tuesday, October 20, 2009 8:01:11 AM(UTC)
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Oh, and do you know with Total Recorder -- does it capture directly from your soundcard using the selected recording device, or does it do some sort of DirectSound capture? It almost sounds as if it's the latter from what you described -- if so, it's probably not a good comparison for us to make during the troubleshooting process. I'm not familiar with that software so I thought I should ask.

Thanks!
Scott
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#9 Posted : Tuesday, October 20, 2009 8:30:52 AM(UTC)
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Here's a desktop shot of Total Recorder recording Pandora.

[img]http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b9ce01b3127ccef83c27c10eee00000030O08AYuWTJw2bOQe3nwI/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D550/ry%3D400/[/img]

I suppose I could try to uninstall it to see if it might be interfering with the Virtual Soundcard. Not a tremendously desireable thing for me.

Max
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#10 Posted : Tuesday, October 20, 2009 8:54:22 AM(UTC)
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Scott,

Sorry, I didn't know how pastebin works. Try this for the log file and let me know if the streaming does appear to be functioning.

http://pastebin.org/46541

As time permits, I'll uninstall Total Recorder in an attempt to verify it's causing problems with the Virtual Soundcard.

Thanks,

Max
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#11 Posted : Tuesday, October 20, 2009 8:54:53 AM(UTC)
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Hey Max,

You mean you would prefer to not uninstall Total Recorder? I can understand that. It does bother me though, that it shows up as a Recording/Playback device in the Sound & Audio control panel.

If you're willing to at least uninstall it temporarily as a troubleshooting measure for Jamcast, I think that would be a good step to take.

Alternately, you can make sure that Total Recorder is not the default recording device. That might get you somewhere with Jamcast as well...

Let me know how you want to proceed, but seeing that Control panel screenshot I can't help but think that Total Recorder may be causing some trouble here.

thanks!
Scott
Jamcast Technical Support
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#12 Posted : Wednesday, October 21, 2009 4:00:33 AM(UTC)
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Hey Scott!

I uninstalled Total Recorder and things still weren't working.

To make a long story short, after a number of other gyrations I decided to try Jamcast on another computer ... a Toshiba laptop running Vista. That works fine, so I now have Pandora streaming to Roku over my wireless network.

My conclusion, at this point, is that the SoundBlaster configuration on the desktop isn't correct .... or since it's rather old, may not even support what's needed for Jamcast to function. I'll keep fiddling around with it as time permits.

For now, I have a working solution. The streaming audio sounds good!

Thanks for all the help and support!

Max


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#13 Posted : Wednesday, October 21, 2009 5:10:15 AM(UTC)
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Maximus4 wrote:

Hey Scott!

I uninstalled Total Recorder and things still weren't working.

To make a long story short, after a number of other gyrations I decided to try Jamcast on another computer ... a Toshiba laptop running Vista. That works fine, so I now have Pandora streaming to Roku over my wireless network.

My conclusion, at this point, is that the SoundBlaster configuration on the desktop isn't correct .... or since it's rather old, may not even support what's needed for Jamcast to function. I'll keep fiddling around with it as time permits.

For now, I have a working solution. The streaming audio sounds good!

Thanks for all the help and support!

Max



Hi Max,

You're welcome. If you ever want to revisit the original PC that you were trying to get working, come find me.

You might try a driver update on your Soundblaster card... you never know.

Thanks!
Scott
Jamcast Technical Support
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#14 Posted : Thursday, October 22, 2009 7:49:08 AM(UTC)
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Wouldn't you know that installing an old driver package from Creative now has Jamcast working on my old Dell with the old SoundBlaster card!

I found I had an old SoundBlaster Live! Value card OEMed by Dell and it's a discontinued product. The Creative web tools said I didn't need a driver update, but I decided to install the last Windows XP driver set for the SoundBlaster Live! card from 2003. It definitely modified the driver and the audio mixer and got things running.

I'll try to reinstall Total Recorder and verify the installation doesn't hose things up.

Max


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#15 Posted : Friday, October 23, 2009 3:56:37 AM(UTC)
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Maximus4 wrote:

Wouldn't you know that installing an old driver package from Creative now has Jamcast working on my old Dell with the old SoundBlaster card!

I found I had an old SoundBlaster Live! Value card OEMed by Dell and it's a discontinued product. The Creative web tools said I didn't need a driver update, but I decided to install the last Windows XP driver set for the SoundBlaster Live! card from 2003. It definitely modified the driver and the audio mixer and got things running.

I'll try to reinstall Total Recorder and verify the installation doesn't hose things up.

Max



Hi Max,

Good deal, I'm glad you got that working. There has been a push from Microsoft to audio card manufacturers to disable the What U Hear / Stereo Mix / etc. recording inputs in an effort to secure DRM protected media, so perhaps this is why the newer drivers were not working for ya.

Well done getting that solved, and thanks very much for keping me in the loop. Stop by if you run into any more trouble.

Thanks!
Scott
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